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I wanted to try Thermage. Even though I don't have facial fat, receiving Thermage can help with collagen formation, improving skin elasticity.
25.06.02 Gangnam Bright Smile Eye Clinic
Visit verification complete #Smile LASIK (Upgraded Version) Same-Day Examination Surgery I just had smile LASIK done here. This isn't some review event or anything. It's only been about 2 or 3 hours since the procedure, and I'm gradually recovering. I can definitely start to see things that were previously far away. I tried on my old glasses out of curiosity, and it made me dizzy (seriously, don't try it...it makes you really dizzy). I was worried that the procedure might have gone wrong, but I'm alive and can see well, haha... I'm in my late 20s, and the procedure was performed by the doctor. The price varies from person to person, so it's confidential. Overall, the staff at the desk and the doctors who consult are all friendly. I usually don’t leave reviews because I find it bothersome, but this is a review for those who, like me, are feeling anxious. Don’t drive here; you really won’t be able to see. After the procedure, you'll wonder if it worked or not, but after about 2 hours you'll start to see shapes clearly, even if it's a bit blurry. I've found my light, haha.
24.02.07 View Plastic Surgery Clinic
The TheraCool FLX 600 shots are great because you can treat your entire face. I really wanted to try it, and after much consideration, I finally did, and the results are impressive. I can feel my skin's elasticity improving.
25.02.17 Noble Classic Clinic
I received Thermage treatment for skin elasticity and I am completely satisfied~~
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View moreIs there a significant difference between Volneumer and Thermage?[1]
I've seen a lot of people saying that Volneumer is less painful than Thermage. Is that actually true? I am curious about the extent of the effect on skin elasticity and fine wrinkle improvement. I would like to know if this procedure is particularly effective for improving skin texture rather than facial sagging. I am also curious about the level of satisfaction and the duration of the results after receiving it once. I've heard that it is often used in combination with Ulthera, so I'm curious if there are any synergistic effects. Please share reviews from those who have actually received it.
익명26.07.02Views 17Likes 0 I was planning to get Thermage, but I switched to Dencerty after seeing the price, and I think I actually made the right choice.[4]
When I turned 32, I suddenly felt my skin sagging. I was especially worried about fine lines around my eyes and mouth, as well as the loss of elasticity. I looked into getting Thermage, but the price was too expensive, so I changed my mind and went with Denserty, which is in the same radiofrequency category. You can think of Density and Thermage as being similar to ironing your skin. It is a method that smooths out fine lines that have recently formed while inducing collagen production. It doesn't make collagen appear instantly; instead, it helps your body produce collagen on its own, so the effects become more pronounced over time. I also summarized the differences between this and ultrasound lifting treatments like Ulthera. Ultrasound works by targeting the SMAS layer to tighten the facial contours, so while it provides a significant visible slimming effect, there is a risk of side effects such as sunken cheeks. Radiofrequency (Density/Thermage) works by heating the dermis layer to improve elasticity, pores, and fine lines, so even those with thin skin or chubby cheeks can receive the treatment without any burden. The characteristic of high-frequency treatment is that it provides changes that only those who care deeply about their skin can feel, rather than dramatic changes that are immediately noticeable to others. I was the first to notice the difference in elasticity and the fading of wrinkles when I touched my skin. For those who are sensitive to skin changes, this is a much more satisfying procedure. I really recommend Density to those who are concerned about fine lines and elasticity, have thin skin, or lack cheek fat. Did you guys also feel like your skin suddenly started to sag around the age of 32? I feel like I'm not the only one lol.
심바리바리26.07.02Views 26Likes 3 Do recommendations for Ulthera and Thermage vary depending on face type?[3]
While looking into lifting procedures, I noticed there were so many posts comparing the two treatments. There is also talk that the recommendations differ depending on whether you have a sagging face or chubby cheeks. I am curious about the criteria used to make the selection.
익명26.07.01Views 25Likes 0 I've tried Thermage too, but if I were spending my money again, I think I would choose Volneumer — Summary of pain and 1-month review[7]
As someone who has received quite a few lifting laser treatments, I have honestly summarized my thoughts after getting Volneumer. First, the pain. It is not a painless procedure. I apply anesthetic ointment before the treatment, so I barely feel anything at first, but if the same area is treated repeatedly, a hot sensation comes up. It isn't a throbbing, impactful pain like an ultrasound, but rather a feeling of the skin getting hot. It might depend on which type of pain you can't tolerate more, but for me, it was much better than the throbbing pain from the heat. The immediate effect was better than I expected. I usually thought that lifting procedures involve downtime and that the effects take time to show, but after receiving the treatment, I could feel my pores tightening and my skin tone becoming even on the same day. It wasn't just visible to me; it was at a level that people around me could recognize as well. After a month, my overall elasticity improved and my facial lines became smoother. It’s hard to describe the feeling—rather than a trembling sensation when you touch your face. I think those who have experienced high-frequency treatments will understand this feeling. It isn't a drastic change visible to the eye, but there is definitely a change that only you can notice. Compared to Thermage, which is so painful that it feels like I'm just enduring it, Volneumer was relatively comfortable to receive, and I actually felt the effects were better. There may be individual differences, but if I were paying for it myself, I think I would choose Volneumer instead of Thermage. I’ve also summarized my own criteria for choosing between high frequency and ultrasound. If you want a slimmer face and visible changes, ultrasound lifting is the right choice, but if you lack elasticity or have thin skin and are worried about sunken cheeks, radio frequency is suitable. Please use this as a reference only :) Which do you think you would choose between Thermage and Volneumer? It would be great if you could also tell me why :)
션구리26.07.01Views 40Likes 3
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View moreThermage Lifting: From Effects to Precautions! Things You Must Know Before Getting Thermage[3]
hello, Dr. Jeong Ga-i, Director of Le Miel Plastic Surgery Clinic no see. While looking in the mirror, suddenly "My skin seems to be sagging compared to before. Is there any way to fix this other than surgery?" Have you ever had that thought? 🪞 It is natural for skin elasticity to decline with age, but choosing surgery unconditionally is a heavy burden, yet leaving it as is keeps bothering you. So today, [it] is receiving a lot of attention for being able to manage skin elasticity without surgery. Thermage Lifting I intend to give you a proper summary of this. Rather than exaggerating just the effects, I will honestly discuss the precautions and realistic expectations. ✨ 1️⃣ What is Thermage Lifting? 💡 This is a non-surgical radiofrequency procedure that provides thermal stimulation to the skin to help it restore elasticity on its own. Thermage Delivers high-frequency energy deep into the skin It is a method that induces collagen regeneration. Since it does not involve surgery or injections, it is less burdensome. While safely protecting the skin surface Delivers thermal energy to the dermis and subcutaneous fat layer It also naturally induces the contraction and regeneration of collagen fibers. ⚠️ There is one important point that needs to be addressed beforehand! There are often people who come in misunderstanding Thermage as a 'dramatic lifting procedure' that dramatically changes facial contours. Thermage is Improving skin elasticity and preventing aging rather than changing contours It is most important to first understand that this is a procedure with strong advantages. 2️⃣ What effects can you expect? 💡 Rather than dramatic changes in the short term, you can feel the elasticity naturally building up over time. With Thermage, you can lightly feel an immediate tightening effect right after the procedure, and afterwards Collagen is gradually regenerated over 2 to 3 months It works. Complex changes gradually appear, such as improved skin texture, reduced fine lines, and shrunken pores. It can be of great help, mainly when you have the following concerns: 🔸 Overall skin elasticity When it feels loose 🔸 pores This is gradually widening Skin texture When this became rough 🔸 fine lines When it noticeably increases and feels like the skin has thinned 🔸 Without surgery Maintaining a natural look When you want 3️⃣ Are there any side effects or precautions? 💡 In most cases, it does not interfere with daily life, but you must check your individual skin condition and whether you are using a genuine product. Immediately after the procedure, your face may become slightly red or experience minor swelling. However, this is usually It often subsides naturally within a day. Most people return to their daily lives immediately. After the procedure Apply sunscreen thoroughly and moisturize. It is recommended that you do this consistently. 📌 Key precautions advised as an expert ✔️ Prohibition of excessive repetitive procedures You should be careful, as receiving repeated treatments at excessively short intervals can cause excessive heat stimulation to accumulate on the skin, potentially leading to adverse effects. ✔️ Verify genuine equipment and tips The equipment used during the procedure and the authenticity of the tips are critical factors directly related to the safety and results of the treatment, so they must be verified in advance. 4️⃣ Who would benefit from receiving this, and who should avoid it? 💡 It is effective for maintaining elasticity from the late 30s to the early 50s, but you should be cautious if you have specific underlying conditions. Thermage is generally Late 30s to early 50s, when the decline in skin elasticity begins in earnest I highly recommend this to those people. Rather than making a decision based solely on age, it is advisable to determine suitability through a thorough consultation with a specialist. ⚠️ On the other hand, those who fall under the following categories must consult thoroughly with a specialist before the procedure: ❌ On the treatment site Metal implants or electronic devices If you are inserting ❌ Current During pregnancy or on the skin active inflammatory disease If this exists ❌ If the skin is abnormally thin or Specific skin diseases If you are suffering from 5️⃣ What are some things you should know before you start? 💡 Check the timing of when the effects appear, the correct treatment cycle, and the criteria for selecting a hospital in advance. If you are finally considering Thermage treatment, please be sure to keep the following 4 tips in mind for satisfactory results. ✨ Feeling the effects appearing gradually : Thermage after the procedure After 2 to 3 months You often begin to feel noticeable changes from that point on. Please do not be impatient; it is necessary to adopt a mindset of observing the situation patiently. ✨ Recommended treatment cycle : To stably maintain the elasticity effect, approximately 6-month to 1-year cycle It is recommended to receive additional treatments. The appropriate interval should be adjusted after a personalized consultation tailored to your skin goals and condition. ✨ Transparency in using genuine tips Since the quality of the procedure depends on whether genuine tips are used, you must verify that the clinic is trustworthy. ✨ Whether to consult directly with a doctor It is difficult to achieve the desired results if the procedure is performed using values that do not match the individual's skin thickness and texture. You must A hospital where the director personally checks the patient's skin condition and communicates with them. We strongly recommend that you choose this. 🙋♂️ FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Q1. Is the Thermage procedure very painful? A. Pain sensitivity varies from person to person, but a slightly stinging sensation may be accompanied by a feeling of heat during the procedure. Before the procedure Apply a sufficient amount of anesthetic cream. And, the latest Thermage equipment Self-cooling system It is equipped with this to keep the skin cool and protected. According to skin condition Finely adjust energy intensity You can do it, so you don't need to worry too much. Q2. When do you start feeling the effects, and how long do they last? A. Generally, after the procedure Between 2 weeks and 1 month Changes begin as it gradually gains elasticity, and the overall effect is approximately Maintain for about 6 months to a year It works. The duration may vary depending on individual skin condition or home care habits after the procedure. Q3. Would it be okay if I received it just once? A. You can experience a change where your skin becomes firmer with just a single treatment. However, skin aging is a process that continues every day even after the procedure. If you want to maintain improved elasticity for a long time Regular maintenance plan at regular intervals I recommend setting it up. Q4. Can I resume my daily activities immediately after the procedure? A. Yes, it is possible. Thermage non-surgical procedures that do not involve skin incisions Because of this, you can resume your daily schedule immediately after the procedure. However, at least on the day of the procedure Refrain from saunas or strenuous exercise It would be good if you could do that. Q5. My skin is on the thinner side. Can I still receive Thermage? A. In many cases, the procedure itself is possible even if you have thin skin. However, since excessive energy can strain the skin, especially if it is thin, you must, before the procedure, A specialist personally diagnoses skin thickness and determines the safety of the procedure and the appropriate intensity. You must do it. 🎯 Conclusion 🔸 core Thermage lifting is an excellent anti-aging procedure that awakens the skin's natural elasticity using radiofrequency energy, without the use of scalpels or injections. When performed on the right person with precision, it can be of great help in preserving your skin's youth. 🔸 The necessity of careful selection The same results do not appear for everyone. Before deciding on the procedure, you must clearly determine whether your skin condition is suitable for high-frequency treatment and if it aligns with the direction of improvement you wish to achieve. 🔸 Emphasis on consultation with a specialist Rather than blindly paying for a procedure just because it is trendy, we recommend sitting down with experienced medical professionals for a thorough consultation to find a customized care plan that is perfect for your skin. 🩺 I hope the honest information shared today has served as a small compass for those considering Thermage lifting. Thank you. Le Miel Plastic Surgery Clinic Director Jeong Ga-i Member of the Korean Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery and Laser Medicine Member of the Korean Society of Laser Dermatology and Hair Member of the Korean Society of Aesthetic Medicine Member of the Korean Society of Fillers Member of the Korean Society of Aesthetic Obesity Member of the Korean Society of Cosmetic Medicine Former Gangnam Renovoclinic Former Cheongdam Abijou Clinic Jeon Lee Ji Dong An Gangnam Main Branch View more expert columns by Director Jeong Ga-i of Le Miel Plastic Surgery > [Health Column] A Comprehensive Summary of Levinas Lifting Effects, Side Effects, Precautions, and Treatment Cycle [Health Column] M-Face Lifting: A Summary of Why the Midface Appears Short and Its Actual Effects [Health Column] Ultherapy Lifting Effects: Key Information from a Specialist, From Pain to Side Effects ✨
정가이 원장26.05.26Views 533Likes 2 The Difference Between Tensorma and Thermage: A Guide to Cost-Effectiveness[4]
The reason for comparing which procedure is more effective if the cost is the same is This is because the “actual perceived effect compared to the price” and “pain/safety” feel different. Especially when the purpose is elasticity and fine wrinkles, satisfaction may vary depending on the equipment characteristics, so it is important to establish standards. 📌 Definition of Tensorma and Thermage Thermage : Original monopolar high-frequency equipment Tensorma : Domestically produced equipment based on Thermage patent Both are treatments that deliver heat energy to the skin to promote skin regeneration and improve elasticity. 🔬 Why is this procedure being compared? Monopolar radiofrequency treatment It is a structure that transmits high heat to the skin layer to induce collagen regeneration. To put it simply, It is close to a method of stimulating the skin with high temperature to elicit the skin's own regenerative response. ※ Important points This is not a procedure to reduce fat and lift. Treatment focused on improving skin elasticity and fine wrinkles ⚖️ Key Differences Between Tensorma and Thermage (Effectiveness, Pain, Price) item Tensorma Thermage Product Type domestically produced equipment Original equipment Expected effect About 80-90% of the level of Thermage baseline effect pain relatively low Pain may be present Burn risk Emphasize safety with cooling specialization Relatively possible to exist price Cheap (cost-effective) costliness Tensorma is 80-90% effectiveness + reduced cost burden This is a position called . 🎯 In what cases will the selection criteria change? When tensor is considered If the pain is bothersome If you approach it with a focus on cost-effectiveness If you have ever experienced a thermal sensation that did not match the thermal sensation of Thermage When Thermage is considered Original equipment preferred If you prioritize research data-based equipment ※ reference: If Thermage was not effective, Tensorma may also have less of an effect. 👤 Treatment target (section where effects are felt differently) If relatively suitable 40s and older If fine wrinkles increase If you feel a decrease in skin elasticity Wrinkles that cannot be resolved with Botox In cases where the need may be low 20s to early 30s Skin condition with minimal signs of fine wrinkles or loss of elasticity ⏱ Number of treatments, cycle, and maintenance period Recommended number of shots: 300 shots / 600 shots For pain: 300 shots divided into 1-2 month intervals Maintenance: Consider 3-6 month intervals Actual collagen production begins: after about 1 month Lasting effect: Approximately 6 months (may vary from person to person) Effects may decrease after 1 year It may look good right away due to initial swelling, but The actual elasticity change is a structure that appears over time. ⚠️ Precautions before treatment Patients with pacemakers cannot undergo the procedure. Removal of metals and precious metals is required before the procedure. 🧾 Summary (Judgment Criteria) If the cost is the same: Original equipment reliability vs. pain/cost-effectiveness Cost-effective: Tensorma Criteria for the effect: Thermage The key is This procedure is not a “fat reduction lifting” Treatment focused on improving fine wrinkles and elasticity The first thing to understand is that If your expectations for the procedure are not met, your satisfaction level can vary significantly. 👇 See actual Thermage reviews My first Thermage treatment at Olive Dermatology Clinic No more worries about pain with Thermage treatment at Seocho Oracle Dermatology in Seocho-gu! 👇 View all posts related to Thermage If you're worried about the price of Ulthera or Thermage, here are some cost-effective face-lifting treatments you can get instead. Well, if you've searched for Thermage, there are some criteria you should know before getting it done.
캐시닥 운영진26.02.20Views 257Likes 4 If you're worried about the price of Ulthera or Thermage, here are some cost-effective face-lifting treatments you can get instead.[4]
The first problem that users who are looking for a face lifting procedure face is Value for money no see. Ulthera and Thermage are representative expensive lifting devices, but due to the cost and pain, alternative treatments are often considered. 1. The concept of high-priced lifting (Ulthera, Thermage) and cost-effective alternative treatments Ulthera and Thermage deliver thermal stimulation to the skin. This is a representative equipment treatment that induces skin contraction and lifting. The features are as follows: A one-time cost may exceed 2 to 3 million won. Existence of pain burden High cost of equipment and consumables Because of this Domestic equipment, high-frequency equipment, injection treatment, etc. Alternative treatments that are cost-effective are also mentioned. 2. How 5 Cost-Effective Lifting Procedures Work 2-1. Domestically produced ultrasound equipment (Shrink, Double, Liftera, etc.) principle Focus ultrasound on one point to create a thermal coagulation point Skin contraction → Inducing a lifting effect Structure similar to Ulthera characteristic It is possible to form a price at about 1/10 of that of Ulthera. The perceived effectiveness is said to be around 60-80%. Relatively little downtime 2-2. Inmode (high-frequency lifting) principle Heating the inside of the skin through high-frequency energy Simultaneous tightening and lifting effects are possible. characteristic High-frequency based, similar to Thermage After the equipment was distributed, the price range became relatively low. Results may vary depending on the skill of the practitioner. 2-3. Thermage-like equipment (Oligio, Tensorma, Density) principle High-frequency thermal stimulation → skin contraction (tightening) Similar to the working principle of Thermage characteristic 500,000 to 600,000 won The maintenance period may be shorter Thermage has more energy efficiency and data accumulation. 2-4. Botox (reverse lifting) principle Decreased muscle movement → decreased force pulling the face down A lifting effect can be felt on the jawline and facial contours. characteristic Often used in conjunction with high-priced lifting procedures The economic burden is relatively low 2-5. Filler (volume-based tightening) principle A method of physically stretching the skin by filling in volume Heat-based lifting and other approaches characteristic Mentioned as an alternative for those with thin facial skin Relatively controllable as a meltable substance Used for volume supplementation purposes 3. Note: Selection criteria may vary depending on facial condition. 3-1. If you have thin facial skin Strong tightening/lifting treatments may not be positive It is explained that fillers and botox are considered as alternatives. 3-2. Practitioner dependence Especially, equipment treatments such as Inmode The effectiveness may vary depending on who performs the procedure. 3-3. Difference in maintenance period Cost-effective equipment is better than expensive equipment. The maintenance period may be shorter. 3-4. Possibility of bruising and swelling There is a possibility of bruising during high-frequency treatment. Minor downtime, such as swelling, may occur. 4. Summary: When to Consider Cost-Effective Lifting Here is the key summary. Ulthera alternative: domestically produced ultrasound equipment Thermage alternatives: high-frequency equipment and similar equipment Facial Fat Loss: A Filler-Centric Approach High Cost Burden: A Concurrent Botox Strategy in other words, One piece of equipment is not an absolute replacement, but the choice depends on facial structure + budget + purpose. no see. Expensive equipment has advantages in terms of precision and energy efficiency, but Cost-effective treatment is mentioned as a realistic option from a repeat treatment or cost management perspective. There are many cases where decisions are made by comparing actual experiences such as facial lines, volume status, and budget range. 👇 Actual shrink View all lifting reviews It was painful after the shrink treatment at Suwon Maypure Clinic, but I am looking forward to it! Reviews of Inmode and Shrink treatments at Eight Plastic Surgery Clinic in Gangnam-gu Experience with shrinkage and scar management at Lyocell Clinic in Gangnam-gu
캐시닥 운영진26.02.20Views 432Likes 4 Well, if you've searched for Thermage, there are some criteria you should know before getting it done.[5]
Well, Thermage is mentioned as a representative lifting equipment. but Because the energy methods and target groups are different , Results may vary depending on skin type. So, rather than asking “which equipment is better,” the question comes first: “what kind of energy does my skin need?” Why is understanding your gear important? Lifting is ultimately Where and how is heat transferred? It's a problem. collagen fibers fat cells Superficial Muscle Mass (SMAS) Among these The purpose varies depending on which layer is being heated. Depending on the energy source, it is broadly divided into four types. Ultrasound (HIFU) Radio Frequency (RF) laser microwave If you choose without knowing this difference, you may not be as satisfied as you expected even if you increase the number of shots. Definition: What makes lifting equipment different? Lifting is a procedure that uses energy to heat specific layers. Depending on the energy method, the area of action and purpose are different. Principle: How it works by energy ① Ultrasound (HIFU) Featured Equipment: Well, shrink Focusing energy on one point like a convex lens Create hot spots to target the superficial muscular aponeurotic system (SMAS) layer 📌 If your facial line is broken 📌 This method is used when there is a little bit of fat. The 4.5mm tip targets the fascia layer rather than hitting the muscle. It is important to get the layers right. ② High frequency (RF) Featured Equipment: Thermage, Density, Serf Heat generation through current flow Targeting the dermis and shallow fat layer 📌 Improved skin texture 📌 Fine wrinkles 📌 Used for the purpose of improving elasticity. High frequency is not inherently intended for deep penetration. Considered if you want to improve elasticity in dry skin. ③ Laser Featured Equipment: titanium Widen the spot for deep heat transfer Parallel cooling 📌 If you have thin skin 📌 If you want immediate lifting and whitening Depth transmission varies depending on pressure control. ④ Microwave Featured Equipment: Coming Similar principle to a microwave oven Heat transfer to the fat layer 📌 If your face is thick and has a lot of fat 📌 For fat reduction purposes It is also mentioned as an alternative in cases where the effect was not great even after performing multiple shots of Ulthera. Note: Results may vary depending on skin type. ✔ If you have a lot of fat Even if you progress through 600 or 1000 shots of Ulthera, there are cases where you feel that the line does not change much. ✔ If you have thin skin If you are the type that does not want to induce fat loss, then high frequency method is more suitable. ✔ Thick skin type Titanium may not be an option if you have thick or fatty skin. ✔ Increase in combination treatments Recently Titanium + Ulthera Come + Ulthera There are also many cases where they are combined like this. Where is the location of Ulthera Thermage? Ulthera and Thermage are still well-known in the lifting field. but, High frequency equipment also follows 6.78MHz. There are also devices that add 2MHz. There are also devices that combine monopolar and bipolar. Domestically produced equipment is also appearing with competitive prices. So, it is not a “replacement device”, but a structure designed with different energy characteristics for each. In the end, what matters is ✔ Where is the heat transferred? ✔ Skin thickness and fat content ✔ Whether the purpose is to straighten the lines, improve elasticity, or reduce fat These differences will vary depending on the actual case. 👇 See real Ulthera reviews I'm sharing my experience with the Ulthera treatment. Experience comfortable Ulthera treatment at Haeundae Base Dermatology Clinic Seocho-gu AB Plastic Surgery Clinic: Satisfied with jawline improvement after Ulthera treatment 👇 See actual Thermage reviews Thermage Review｜Curious about Thermage price, effectiveness, pain, and Ulthera differences? When will Thermage effects begin to appear? A summary of the 2-week to 3-month change period. I received Thermage lifting treatment at Tatoa Clinic.
캐시닥 운영진26.02.13Views 176Likes 4
